GREGG

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IGI Marriage: groom's name: Andrew Gregg bride's name: Isabella Mcilwraith 06 Jun 1846 Barr By Girvan, Ayr, Scotland M11580-4
Marriage Banns Barrhill & Comonell for Andrew Gregg/Isabella McIlwraith. SCR FR 225 6th and 7thJune 1846

1851 CENSUS: On 30 March 1851
Piece: SCT1851/582 Place: Ayr -Ayrshire Enumeration District: 12:
Civil Parish: Colmonell Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Colmonell. Folio: 0 Page: 6 Schedule: 17
Address: Loggan (Feogl)
    Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
    GREGG Andrew Head M M 38 Shepherd (Free Church) Ayrshire - Barr Clashgolloch
    GREGG Isabella Wife M F 28 Ayrshire - Barr Where born uncertain, lines mixed
    GREGG Agness Dau - F 4 Ayrshire - Barr(Originally: Ayrshire - Mark Barr)
    GREGG William Son - M 2 Ayrshire - -
    GREGG John Son - M 3m Ayrshire - Colmonell(Originally: Ayrshire - Craigenee Colmonell)
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Jeff Higgins - June 2004: Andrew Gregg and Agnes[Isabella] McIlwraith married June 1846. Banns were proclaimed on consecutive Sundays (the 7th and 14th June) in both Isabella's home parish Barr and Andrew's home parish Colmonell and they would have married soon after. They had 9 children....

M.I Headstone at Barr Church Yard - Stinchar Valley Ayrshire[ADG1996]: ' Errected in memory of our father Andrew Greig born at Glashculloch 17th December 1813, died at Halfmark Barrhill 11th June 1885. Also our mother Izabella McIlwraith born at Daljedburgh? Mill 11th August 1823, died at Braehead Kirkinner 17th January 1904. Sister Agnes Greig born at Daljurroch? Hill 31st January 1866, died at Braehead Pinwerry 20th May 1895 - beloved wife of William Broadfoot. Also Andrew Greig grandson of above born at Buss Colmonell 22nd March 1881, died LAMDOUGHTY Barr 21st January 1908. Also of Gilbert Greig grandson of above born at Knockdu Colmonel 21st February 1885 lost in action on the Somme 1st July 1916. Also Martha Ross wife of Ivie Greig died at Auchenflower Cottage Ballantrae 29th August 1932? aged 73. Ivie Greig died at Pinwerry 31st March 1945? aged 87 years

IGI also states that daughter Agnes was born Jan 31st 1863 at Colmonell and not as stated on the gravestone(Jan 31st 1866)

Joan Fisher - 2004:
   A bit more stuff on the children of Andrew Gregg and Izabella McIlwraith. Apparently all the children changed their names to 'Grieg'. This wasn't reflected in Ivie Gregg/Grieg's 1910 affadavit for the probate of James "Uncle Jimmy" Gregg's will but it was stated in the final probate document. (which sometime in the next decade I might be able to unearth in this room and mail to you.)

William Gregg/Grieg was living in Airdrie, Kirkbean, Dumfries in 1910
John Gregg/Grieg was living in 1910 in Eldrick Barhill, Newton Stewart, Scotland
Marion G/G was married to a Mr. McDonald and living in 1910 at 134 Aitkenhead Road (south side) c/o J. Burnett, Glasgow

Janet and John Kelly, according to his affidavit were living in Seneca, Kansas. I note in the Scotch Valley History this letter to the committee who wrote the book from Agnes Johnstone. Say writes, "The Kellys lived on Rogers land, lost it because Mr. Kelly had gone on some one's note. Lived awhile in Pawnee (City), then Section 22, was helped financially by Uncle "Jimmy" Gregg."

Ivie G/G was living in 1910 in Balrazle, Ballantrae, Ayr

Andrew Gregg does not appear in Ivie's affidavit as a sibling, which makes me think he was really a grandson. These affidavits listed all the siblings living and dead because the shares had to go to the children of the dead.

Jane G/G married Mr. McHoul and in 1910 was living at 535 Eglinton St., south side, Glasgow

Sarah Isabella G/G married Mr. Campbell and in 1910 was living at Causewayend, Newton Stewart, Wigtownshire, Scotland.

Agnes was dead as you know--I have yet to come to your information on her family so will wait to tell you where they were living
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Jeff Higgins - June 2004:I have the following Census entries...
1841: Andrew, with parents and siblings George, Jannet and James at Balnahoin, Colmonell. John Coughtrie and family were nearby at Ligatchuk. The Kelly's (Alexander and Agnes) were living just over the border at Castle in Penninghame.
1851: Andrew with wife Isabella and children Agnes, William and John were at Laggan, Colmonell. Andrew was a shepherd.
1861: Andrew was a shepherd boarding at James Agnew's dairy farm, Troax, Colmonell
1861: Isabella with children Agnes, William, John, Marion, Janet, Ivy and Jane were at Cossamuck cottage, Colmonell
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1871: Andrew with wife Isabella and children Janet, Ivie, Jean, Agnes and Sarah Isabella were at Daljorrock shepherd's house, Colmonell. Andrew and Ivie were shepherds.
"Scotland Census, 1871 Colmonell, Ayrshire, Scotland
Andrew Gregg age: 57
Isabella Gregg age: 47,
Janet Gregg age: 15,
Ivie Gregg age: 13,
Jean Gregg age: 10,
Agness Gregg age: 8,
Sarah Isabella Gregg age: 5,
[Mary Rowan Gregg Age: 2. As yet unsure what relationship this child is to family]
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1881: Andrew with wife Isabella and children John, Agnes and Sarah and his grandson John Burnett were at Daljorrock, Colmonell. Andrew and John were shepherds

1881 Census Dwelling Place: Daljerrock Mill Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland. GRO Ref. Volume 582-1. EnumDist 5. Page 7. On 3 April 1881
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Andrew GREGG M 66 M Barr, Ayr, Scotland. Head. Occ: Shepherd
Isabella GREGG M 56 F Barr, Ayr, Scotland. Wife. Occ: Shepherd Wife
John GREGG U 29 M Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland. Son. Occ: Shepherd.
Agnes GREGG U 17 F Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland Daur. Occ: Scholar
Sarah Isabella GREGG U 15 F Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland. Daugh. Occ: Scholar
John BURNET (GREGG) U 6 M Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland. GrandSon. Occ: Scholar [illegitimate son to Marion]
James JOHNS M 52 M Colmonell, Ayr, Scotland. Visitor. Occ: Tailor
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I'M CERTAIN THERE WAS NO SON ANDREW....
He couldn't have been born before 1855 as Janet was 5th born.
There is no known statutory birth or death entry.
He doesn't appear with the family on any Census.
I have most relevant census entries for Andrew and Isabella's siblings (potential aunts and uncles), there are no "stray" Andrew Greggs living with any of them.
The affadavit (I would love a copy or transcript) does not mention an Andrew
I don't think it would be a grandson, John Burnett was the 1st born grandson (1874) and he wasn't a shepherd. There are only 2 grandsons called Andrew, one born 1881 and one born 1893, both too young to be the man in the photo

I like your theory Alec, one missing "of" can make a lot of difference and it seems the only candidates that fit the bill are Andrew and Isabella's sons. All 3 of them were shepherds and they are all the right age to be the man in the photo so I checked the Ellis Island website and found the following...
John Greig, 56, arrived in New York aboard the "Caledonia" on 07 Jul 1907, he was on his way to see his sister Mrs Janet Kelly in Seneca. He was a shepherd and lived in Pinwherry, Ayrshire.
John Greig, 62, arrived in New York again aboard the Caledonia (superstitious perhaps) on 14 Apr 1913, he was on his way to see his sister Mrs Janet Kelly in Seneca. He was a shepherd and he gave his brother Ivan Gregg, in Ballantrae, as a contact.
these seem to be the only TWO occasions that John visited
I can't find a 1901 census entry for Ivie and family, at first I thought they may have visited the U.S. around that time, but there seems to be no Ellis Island entry for an Ivie Greig (or variants). Maybe I haven't looked hard enough for Ivie in the 1901.
Could the man in the photo be John and his sister Janet Kelly?
Maybe Shannon has a pic of Janet to compare
Would appreciate your thoughts
Regards
Jeff